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the Future of City Planner 2019 reply
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I have come across this thread The future of City planner 2019 stating that the future of FoE city planner is at question because he is using a hosting service that is charging him $1650 if he pays upfront or $206 per month if he pays on a monthly basis, and I have to ask the administrator @ingwe are you serious? what exactly are you paying $1650 or $206 per month? I would like to see that hosting plan, and the reasons for choosing that exact hosting plan, dude, this is the 2019th, you can get large website hosting packages for as low as $20-30 a year, or lets say you take the biggest package and you pay $100 a year with every possible hosting service you need for it .... You can also get google cloud hosting, which is free, the only thing they charge you is a static IP address which goes for as low as $1 a year Hosting a Website on Google Cloud .... I may not grasp how big this project is, what space it takes or what resources it uses, but i still believe that you are either wasting money on a service you do not need, or your making a really bad choice in selecting your hosting services provider, or you are just trying to score some money from the users, which is fine, you deserve to get some money from your users considering the work you put in this project, but $1650 a year or $206 a month for hosting is ABSURD! ....
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(03-21-2019, 10:01 AM)KronikPillow Wrote: I have come across this thread The future of City planner 2019 stating that the future of FoE city planner is at question because he is using a hosting service that is charging him $1650 if he pays upfront or $206 per month if he pays on a monthly basis, and I have to ask the administrator @ingwe are you serious? what exactly are you paying $1650 or $206 per month? I would like to see that hosting plan, and the reasons for choosing that exact hosting plan, dude, this is the 2019th, you can get large website hosting packages for as low as $20-30 a year, or lets say you take the biggest package and you pay $100 a year with every possible hosting service you need for it .... You can also get google cloud hosting, which is free, the only thing they charge you is a static IP address which goes for as low as $1 a year Hosting a Website on Google Cloud .... I may not grasp how big this project is, what space it takes or what resources it uses, but i still believe that you are either wasting money on a service you do not need, or your making a really bad choice in selecting your hosting services provider, or you are just trying to score some money from the users, which is fine, you deserve to get some money from your users considering the work you put in this project, but $1650 a year or $206 a month for hosting is ABSURD! ....

Thanks for suggestions. However, as you have stated yourself - "I may not grasp how big this project is, what space it takes or what resources it uses". I already had similar discussion a year ago. https://forum.en.forgeofempires.com/inde...ost-246945
This is not a static website hosting.
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I still highly doubt that you can't find a cheaper hosting .... 

on the other hand there are several problems, that haven't been addressed by your self as a owner of this project, who is asking for money from people for it ...

1. Flash support is now cut even from Google Chrome browser, all major browsers will cut total flash support by start of 2020, which means that all people who payed for your service payed for nothing, as it's a in-functional service
2. Your project is full of bugs, which you either are not aware of or just don't care to fix as some of them are present for more then 2 years
3. You mention that you are making a app of city planner v2, I must say, I don't feel comfortable using a closed source app, I don't feel comfortable with ads, popups, and similar stuff that might come trough it, and I sincerely doubt that the desktop version includes a Linux app, my advice, stick to the web version, just step away from flash

examples of bugs:
1: Population count from houses is not correct, it doesn't add up to the population at all
2: there are several buildings with miss placed graphics (like Tower of Babel) they look like they are floating in the air
3: Inclusion of new buildings in the project can sometimes take months, and people who would be donating to your project, would want to be able to plan their new event buildings as soon as the event is released
4: Happiness count is also not correct (this one is older then 2 years)

I am sure i can think of more, but i don't see a point in bothering about it as I can't even login to foe-cityplanner since a few day ago, as Chrome doesn't support flash anymore

I understand that this is on your free time, etc etc etc, but how about, including more people in leading the project? That way, you maybe could attract more money towards your pocket, as you would have a 24/7 full functioning service with fast updates ....
people would need to be insane, to donate money, to something that just does not work correctly

and yes, this is criticism towards asking serious amounts of money to fund a super expensive web service, that basically does not work the way it's supposed to
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There is one thing, which always puzzles me. There are people, which got some tool for free, using it for free, but still complaining... Somebody gave you a car for free. He still repair the car, makes it better from time to time. You are free to use it anytime. But at some point, he asks you that if you can, add fuel for your own money. If you cannot, then it's still alright. And you are complaining that the fuel is too expensive....

You mentioned that I am asking for money. Sometimes, your text sounds like somebody has no other choice but just pay for it (maybe that's just me, sorry, I am not a native English speaker). City planner was free, is free and will be free to use. I think that you misunderstand what donation is. Donation is a way to tell "thank you" in form of money. If you do not want to donate, you can continue using city planner for free as long as it stays live. Just be happy with this.

About bugs. Yes, I am aware of some of them which people reported. Do I know all of them - I guess no, if nobody reported. You wrote that the City planner is full of bugs. Normally, it means that some software is so buggy, that it's impossible to use it. If this is the case, I wonder how thousands of users are still using it. And you are wrong, I do care about fixing them. But guess what - I do not have a lot of time. Some bugs are new, some bugs are there for years, some bugs have been fixed. How many bugs did you personally reported? You do not have to, really. But it's strange to read your complaints.

Having a team for development. I do not have plans for that for number of reasons. And one of the main reason (though not the only important one) is that I am not going to spend time finding those people, interviewing them to understand if they can be a good addition to the team, and then managing all of them.

About flash. Your information is not correct. Instead of writing that the City planner is not usable anymore, you could do just a 10 sec internet search and got a valid info. https://www.chromium.org/flash-roadmap Flash will be completely removed at the end of 2020. You can continue using it in Chrome. Though it's indeed less convenient right now, because you have to explicitly grant access. For simplicity, you can click on the lock icon in the address bar and enable flash.

About city entities updates. This is another place where you are right, when you said "sometimes it takes months". Indeed, during 3 year of being live, I think update circle took 2 months 2-3 times, and 3-4 months right now. That's indeed sometimes. Normally, it's around 1 month.

About v.2. First of all, if you do not feel comfortable to use it, then you are free not to use it. Nobody forces you to do this. You might also be surprised, but you have been already using closed-source City planner. Thus, i do not understand that point of your comment at all. Ads, popups etc are also present on many websites. Thus, I am also not sure where is the logic in that comment, and how will open-source save from that.

You are right is that I do not have plans to include Linux support. So far, Linux users are 2.66% from all users during last year. I do not have resources to make dedicate support for such a low audience.

To conclude. I would kindly ask you to speak for yourself only, and not for other people. You did it few times, when you were assuming that others would be insane donating etc. Also, please, before writing, double check the information, so you will not broadcast a wrong one (like about flash, for example). You mentioned that you understand that I am making it in my free time. However, I think you actually do not understand this. I just wonder, how much time do you think the development of such tool takes? You write a lot, but I do not see any actions. The criticism is always welcome. But before writing just a critical messages, ask yourself - "What did I personally do to make this better?". If you are not happy with the tool, if you see that I cannot make it better, or do not want to make it better, you are absolutely free to find a team of people who are interested, manage them, and create a better City planner. Just like you suggested.
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